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MaskedFox wrote:
Perhaps I have simply had poor experiences with the Catholic Church.


Sounds like it...

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The second man completely believed that demons (all spirits were demons to him) exist.


I was surprised at that...

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He also told me that the majority of people who are experiencing difficulty with demons have done something deserving of punishment in their lives.


Eh, there's too many problems taking that 'argument' either way it'd take several pages in Word or WordPerfect (or just a single Frater Manifesto post ;) ) to try to cover the bases, so I'm not going to bother, really.

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In both cases, the desire for money seemed foremost and was discouraging.


...only thing I'll say for his own argument for the second guy is the irony of wanting money (nothing wrong with a donation for services, BUT...), since one, many people on paranormal forums that I've seen have said that paranormal investigators that check out residences (or even businesses, I suppose) should never take any money for doing so. However, once I posted a reply to that saying I'd seen some people saying donations are ok, which I agree; after all, it's one thing to pay for equipment here and there when you can to try to gather evidence, but there's also gas to pay for to get over to places (which can be sky high at times, especially in the U. K., where they've laughed at us Americans for only just now getting high gas prices in the last several years, theirs has always been very high for a lot longer a period, maybe a couple of decades even, I'm not sure). Of course I didn't get a rebuttal from that, it was like no one had thought of that before :roll:

But arguably, there are passages in the Bible itself that say that man shouldn't gather information from the dead. So if they want money from what's a sin (unless it states in the Bible it's ok for a clergy person to get involved, I don't know), then I'd say that arguably if they want money for that that could be a bit 'wrong' too. The irony...

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According to his account, the priest called upon something like fifty names, presumably the names of saints, to assist in removing the demon. The man said the priest claimed everything was alright, but two days later, activity returned and had increased from voices and footsteps to physical manifestations against residents such as scratches and even pushing someone down the stairs.


Obviously the guy didn't truly know how to deal with paranormal problems, kind of like the 'sprinkle some holy water' guy you mentioned earlier.

I can guarantee the reason the problems only went away for a couple of days was because when you're dealing with something unholy they don't like to hear mentions of devine stuff, like the Bible and all (reading passages out loud will get rid of evil entities, sometimes only occasionally, sometimes for good, because they don't want to hear that stuff!). He just had a 'by the book' solution and read straight from it without really knowing what all he had to deal with, like what I said about knowing about what kind of smudging to do in accordance as to what you're dealing with in another topic (ones for spirits in general, ones for bad spirits, ones for demons), and it looks like as FM had put up an additional account for one another kind, for poltergeists too.

If you don't know what you're dealing with, a blanket ceremony isn't going to cut it.


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Post Re: My Son sees a man when we can't...
Hi Masked Fox and tviscante.

MaskedFox: your experiences with the two Catholic Priests sicken me to read about. But, thank you for sharing them, anyway. I now understand your opposition to Catholicism.

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The first man was of the opinion that spirits do not truly exist.


It would seem difficult, if not impossible, for someone of this mentality to perform an effective, "Banishing," or, "Exorcism." How could one take the matter seriously? For example, I don't believe in the Easter Bunny. If someone asked me to come to his home to Banish, or Exorcise, the Easter Bunny, you can probably imagine the, "seriousness," with which I would undertake the endeavor.

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The second man completely believed that demons (all spirits were demons to him) exist. He also told me that the majority of people who are experiencing difficulty with demons have done something deserving of punishment in their lives. These people would essentially be required to buy themselves back into good favor with God before an exorcism could be performed.


WHOA!!!!! According to Christian doctrine, what was the purpose of the Crucifixion, again?

I must agree. The Roman Catholic Church is not without its share of corruption. Until recently, it was the world's fourth wealthiest entity. It is now down to number six, probably because of the 4.3 billion dollars it has had to shell out for child molestation lawsuits and convictions. And, that figure is from several years ago. Hard telling what it is now.

I was raised a Roman Catholic and still attend Mass on Sundays with my children. In all fairness, my experiences with Catholic Priests have all been positive. In fact, three of them stand out in my mind as among the most exemplary, "Men of God," I have ever known from either side of the, "Christian Fence," so to speak. That's why I recommended a Roman Catholic Priest to Is This Real. I thought that Catholicism's combination of knowledge in Christianity and the Occult would be a good recipe for Is This Real to get rid of whatever spirit entity is in his house. I mentioned in my first post that Is This Real might have to, "look hard," for a qualified Catholic Priest. In perspective, he might have to look REALLY hard.

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Additionally, about ten years ago, I corresponded with a man who had received a Catholic exorcism at his house. According to his account, the priest called upon something like fifty names, presumably the names of saints, to assist in removing the demon. The man said the priest claimed everything was alright, but two days later, activity returned and had increased from voices and footsteps to physical manifestations against residents such as scratches and even pushing someone down the stairs. The man and his wife were forced to move out of the house.


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I can guarantee the reason the problems only went away for a couple of days was because when you're dealing with something unholy they don't like to hear mentions of devine stuff, like the Bible and all (reading passages out loud will get rid of evil entities, sometimes only occasionally, sometimes for good, because they don't want to hear that stuff!). He just had a 'by the book' solution and read straight from it without really knowing what all he had to deal with, like what I said about knowing about what kind of smudging to do in accordance as to what you're dealing with in another topic (ones for spirits in general, ones for bad spirits, ones for demons), and it looks like as FM had put up an additional account for one another kind, for poltergeists too.


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If you don't know what you're dealing with, a blanket ceremony isn't going to cut it.


I agree with tviscante that Unholy Spirits don't like to be near anything Holy for the reason I stated in my first post. However, I'm not convinced that one has to know, "exactly," what one is dealing with in order to get rid of it. My experience is that just, "Holy -vs- Unholy," suffices. For example, I live in a modest track home in a midwestern housing development. An old family graveyard had to be relocated in order to build the development. But, the builder did not relocate all of the graves. Some of the graves were unmarked. Some were marked, but the old salt stone headstones were so eroded that they were unidentifiable. Lastly, some of the headstones were still legible. Well, it turns out that the only graves that were relocated to a nearby cemetery were the ones that could be identified. All of the others (most of them) were simply plowed up. I was unaware of this until several years after I moved into the house. But, during the first several years I've lived here, there was a great deal of, "Psychic Disturbance," going on here. I've written about them at length in other posts, but to reiterate just a few: on several occasions I found---not carcasses---but, mutilated animals littering my property. I once found patches of telltale, "Slime," that looked as if it had been raked across my front walk. And, regarding, "Evil Spirits," on a few occasions, my boys, who were ages three and four at the time, awakened in the middle of the night in separate bedrooms from simultaneous nightmares, screaming, describing the same, "Monster."

Some have taken my, "Demon Footprints," video seriously. Others have laughed it off as, "rabbit tracks." I found those footprints during the same time all of this, "Psychic Disturbance," was going on. I didn't mention this in reference to the video. But, there was a course of events that led up to the appearance of those footprints in my backyard. After my boys had had the simultaneous nightmares, they got to a point in which they didn't want to sleep in their own beds at night. They only wanted to sleep in Daddy's bed. After a while I performed, "Banishing Rituals," with them. One night before putting them to bed, I got out an old sword from my magical paraphernalia box. I had each boy stand in the middle of his bed and "carve," Christian Crosses in the air at all four quadrants of their beds: north, south, east and west. As they carved each cross, I had them recite, "By the power vested in me by the Christ, whom I serve with all my heart, GET THEE HENCE!" After we had done that, I nailed old crucifixes that had been in my family for generations to the walls above the headboards of their beds. The very next morning after we performed this, "Banishing Ritual," I found the, "Demon Footprints," in my backyard. Very interesting, "coincidence," I think.

My point is, the, "Monster," appearing in my boys,' "simultaneous nightmares," was obviously, "Unholy," in hindsight. By confronting it with that which is, "Holy," (Invoking the, "Christ Force"), the, "Monster," went away.

Coincidentally, the crucifixes remain hanging above my boys' beds to this day, as well as a number of other crucifixes that now hang in my house, and we've never had, "Unholy Spirit," problems since. I had no idea, "exactly," what I was dealing with at the time. In fact, the idea of an, "Unholy Spirit Entity," never even entered my mind. I merely interpreted it as something evil and resorted to my Roman Catholic upbringing to address the problem. It is only in hindsight that I can correlate these two instances.

In reference to MaskedFox's friend and tviscante's insight, it is likely that merely reciting 50 Saint's names all in one shot is not enough to keep an Unholy Spirit away permanently. Maybe one has to keep reinforcing, "Holiness," over an extended period of time to drive the, "Unholy Spirit," away permanently, such as in my case, keeping the crucifixes above my boys' beds permanently, as well as hanging crucifixes elsewhere in my house. At any rate, it has proven effectual to me.

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tviscante: your posts are getting kind of long:):):):):)


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Post Re: My Son sees a man when we can't...
Ha ha. Well I've been on paranormal sites before, so I can't say 'well, I learned that from you'! I've had quite a few long ones before...the 'Blue Light Cemetery' post in the Urban Legends & Superstitions area is proof of that, since it's just a copy and paste job...thought it'd be interesting to share a lot of the local lore (i. e. probably nonsense) of the place...

Anyway, hope Is This Real comes back to let us know how things are going.


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