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Would anyone care to discuss the Quija Board?


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Well I could write out a long history of the board here including facts like:

The first board discovered dated back to around 1000 BC and was found in China.

Aleister Crowley was also known to use the board regularly, I believe.

However, I think I will refrain primarily because you are so much better at the long historical posts, Frater. :D

My opinion on the Ouija board is that the thing is often over-hyped. The sum materials of plastic and paper possess no real magical value. When the board is used, the user is extending an open invitation to spirits. The problem is when spirits are attracted, the layman often has no control over what spirits respond. This can lead to negative spirits being attracted to the user, and if the session is not ended, the spirit may see it as a continuous open invitation to remain with the person or in the location.

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My opinion on the Ouija board is that the thing is often over-hyped. The sum materials of plastic and paper possess no real magical value. When the board is used, the user is extending an open invitation to spirits. The problem is when spirits are attracted, the layman often has no control over what spirits respond. This can lead to negative spirits being attracted to the user, and if the session is not ended, the spirit may see it as a continuous open invitation to remain with the person or in the location.


I agree 100%, especially as I mentioned in another, similar post the other day, I think that entities will 'attach' themselves to the board once they know someone's trying to communicate and pay attention to them, which is when the trouble (obviously) starts.


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Hi MaskedFox and Tviscante. Thanks for your input!

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However, I think I will refrain primarily because you are so much better at the long historical posts, Frater.


Sorry MaskedFox. I know I get carried away sometimes. When I see a post that interests me, I just get excited about it and start writing. When I'm through, I look back and wonder, "Who will have the patience to read all of this?" And, then I just post it anyway.

To tell you the truth, I really don't know much about the Quija Board, which is why I posted the question. When I was a child, my grandmother and aunt seemed obsessed with it. My grandfather was my grandmother's second husband. She was widowed, had some terribly unresolved issues from her first husband, and tried to find closure through the use of the Quija Board. I don't know whether she ever found it, or not.

Thanks for your information, MaskedFox. I had no idea that the Quija Board was so ancient and that it originated in China. Nor, did I know that Crowley used it regularly, though I shouldn't be surprised. All I know is that I remember reading on the box that it was a Milton-Bradley product and I found it interesting that it was manufactured in Salem, Massachusetts. Recently, I was in a Toys R Us with my kids and saw the, "New and Improved Glow in the Dark," version of it.

As I've come across it in my reading, I don't recall ever reading anything positive about it. Also, people I've talked to who have used it always seem to have frightening stories to tell about it.

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...which is when the trouble (obviously) starts.


So, tviscante: what kind of, "trouble," are you talking about?

My grandmother also fashioned herself as a Medium and held seances at her house. The board has a kind of Victorian look---the time when Mediums and seances were popular. I guess because of my grandmother and her use of the Quija Board, I always thought it was for the purpose of communicating with the dead.

What else can it be used for? Are there any other kinds of spirits that can be conjured with it? Demons? Non-human spirits? Do you know of any positive accounts of the Board? Thanks!


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Frater Manifesto wrote:
Sorry MaskedFox. I know I get carried away sometimes. When I see a post that interests me, I just get excited about it and start writing.


Naw, you're kidding! :D

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When I'm through, I look back and wonder, "Who will have the patience to read all of this?" And, then I just post it anyway.


Oh, like you'd delete what you wrote anyway!

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To tell you the truth, I really don't know much about the Quija Board, which is why I posted the question.


Hey, that's a switch!

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All I know is that I remember reading on the box that it was a Milton-Bradley product and I found it interesting that it was manufactured in Salem, Massachusetts.


Salem shouldn't be much of a surprise. Isn't that like the occult capital of the country? If not, I'd say it's close.

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As I've come across it in my reading, I don't recall ever reading anything positive about it. Also, people I've talked to who have used it always seem to have frightening stories to tell about it.

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...which is when the trouble (obviously) starts.


So, tviscante: what kind of, "trouble," are you talking about?


Well, your previous paragraph there should answer that question...nothing but bad stories about it, entities showing up and causing trouble...

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What else can it be used for? Are there any other kinds of spirits that can be conjured with it? Demons? Non-human spirits?


Yes, pretty much, one of several negative stories I heard about it is that someone conjured up a demon with it and it moved with such blinding speed it was scratching up everyone in the room, yet no one could even swing a fist, much less anything else, at it.

Frater Manifesto wrote:
Do you know of any positive accounts of the Board?


Only for mediums knowing what they're doing while using it, I suppose. Getting evps from whatever you brought up with it and not having any kind of attacks or destructive forces afterwards.


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Hi tviscante. What's your take on this story? This happened years ago. One of my private music students used to dabble in the Quija Board. Then, he, "got religion," and was told that the Quija Board was, "of the Devil." He lived out in the country. He took his Quija Board out in the woods, nailed it to a tree, shot bullet holes through it and then took it back home with him. He said that, about six or seven months later, he was cleaning out his garage, came across his Quija Board, opened the box, and found that the board had, "healed itself," meaning that there were no nail holes or bullet holes in it anymore. He swears its the truth and that it was the same board. He always seemed totally sane and honest to me. He never seemed to me like the kind of person who would just make something like that up. I really have no reason, whatsoever, to disbelieve him. Yet, this seems impossible to believe. What do you think about this? Have you heard any similar stories?


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I wasn't criticizing you, Frater, only stating your obvious strength. I usually enjoy reading your extensive posts, although I usually need a drink and a snack first. :)

I believe the similar board found in China was found in the 1900's, meaning the board we know today was not based on the Chinese version. An additional reference from history is a historical account of Pythagoras, the Greek philosopher using a table on wheels to point to signs, which were then interpreted as messages from an "unseen world."

The modern Ouija board was invented in the late 1800's. I believe a lawyer received the patent and they went into production. The board was seen by spiritualists as a serious tool to communicate with the spirit world till around the mid 1900's. Then in the 60's, the company was sold to Parker Brothers, who thought the board would make a great child's toy.

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Frater Manifesto wrote:
He said that, about six or seven months later, he was cleaning out his garage, came across his Quija Board, opened the box, and found that the board had, "healed itself," meaning that there were no nail holes or bullet holes in it anymore.


Holy CRAP!

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Yet, this seems impossible to believe.


Yeah I'd agree...

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Have you heard any similar stories?


No I haven't. Only thing I've heard about ridding them is two things: one, in regards to the board itself, break it up into pieces and bury it (something to do with the earth is what protects anything bad from happening again, I think). Do NOT burn it, that's the worst thing you can do.

And two, as far as any interaction with the board itself, you've opened a door, and you need to do something to close it, I don't know what it is. And I'd say your friend with the healed board had opened a door indeed and needs to get it closed, even if it doesn't appear he's got any entities around him, past or present.


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MaskedFox wrote:
I usually enjoy reading your extensive posts, although I usually need a drink and a snack first. :)


Bah ha ha!

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Then in the 60's, the company was sold to Parker Brothers, who thought the board would make a great child's toy.


Which was STUPID! Those are NOT toys!


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As for "talking boards", "witch boards" or your typical Toys-R-Us toy store,"Ouija Board". In most circles, it is thought to be a fun game to watch and/or participate in using. Nothing could be further from the truth!! Others say it is an implement used by witches and/or magicians, after they have completed a series of physical, mental, cleansing before even thinking about communicating with what could be on the "other side". Rumors, depending on what resources you used and when they were written,once taken the needed protection, the pointer can either moved about by the questioner, under the influence of the contact from the other side. Other gifted persons can make the pointer move it without touching it or their contact moves the pointer itself/himself/herself. One never knows if one will be talking to an angel,a demon, some disembodied entity, some jinn, or about any mumber of "things" just waiting to get over on this side. Supposedly, some are friendly and only wish to aid those calling on them, while other entities are intent on doing as much harm as possible and have the power to do anything they want to. Once out, good luck on getting "it" back where it came from and it may take seversl "people of power" to join forces to put "it" back where it came from. After seeing some "odd things" happen related to folks using a "board", I refuse to be in a house where one is being used. It is interesting though, I do collect them, from your "standard" board, to hand carved and painted ones. They are for looks and never unlocked. :!:

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