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A week b4 xmas strange things were happening. my phone w/no service would go off..pan fly off onto the floor, touch lamp off/on/off/on alot. Blinds moving. All happened one time each. It stopped for awhile until this friend i met recently starting coming over and it made "it" mad that he was there.
This guy i barely know (seemed) cool and claimed in the past could see and talk to ghosts sometimes. He also told me things that he felt ashamed of doing in the past and no one knows about. (murder etc) I didnt judge him and he kept coming around hanging out. The first night ever he decided to stay the night damon (bf) had ear phones in and "it" said, "hello"... again "hello" then "im not going anywhere" Whatever it was got into damon's body!! (no joke) Would kinda hum a deep growl then speak.."the one who see's is not welcome, this is my home", "the one who see's needs to leave", "im not going anywhere", "you have bad soul" would speak through damon all this.. speakin to that guy mostly never really me. It said to Tim.. "until we meet again, bye bye".."unitil we meet again" then damon went into this huge shock and fell over on the floor the whole time it was in him he was bleeding slobber out the mouth. His eyes were glass and he was sitting w/arms bent back and leaning over with head turned to the left all the way. Damon doesnt remember anything. It was so scary. We both decided that tim (the guy) was the issue. He has not been around and nothing happened. im staying at my moms, damon is still there where is all took place. Claims nothing else weird has happend. He had the ear phones in a few days after and it supposably tried communicating w/damon to his questions he asked. It said "man w/no hair bad".."man w/no hair bad for woman w/lil bear" (Tim was balding and i have a lil dog that looks like a lil bear.) It said " lil bear scary me, move fast" Damon asked its name said "george" so im freaked out! That was the name of the ghost they called george that was at his brothers house. He was living with his brother for awhile 2 years ago. Damon Now lives in the city with me. This is the first time anything has happened since i knew him. I need answers, please help me. We want to move but we dont know if it will help or get worse.


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Wow that sounds really scary! Now, I'm not a professional or anything but it sounds to me like it might be a demon. As far as I know, Ghosts can't posess you like that. Also it sounds like if it was at his brothers house and now is at your house, that its not limited to one location, and if you move it could definitely fallow you! Please be very careful.

Did your boyfriends brother experiences the same types of things as this? Has the demon/ghost ever talked to him through media such as earphones or talked through him to others, or through others to him?


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A week b4 xmas strange things were happening. my phone w/no service would go off..pan fly off onto the floor, touch lamp off/on/off/on alot. Blinds moving. All happened one time each.


Did you personally witness these? Did you actually see the pan "fly" off the stove? Did it maybe fall? Did you check your lamp for faulty wiring, or was someone playing with it?
While I find it weird that your phone rang, I find it weirder that it didn't have reception. As you're talking about your house (I assume), I find it unlikely that your phone wouldn't have had reception there.

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The first night ever he decided to stay the night damon (bf) had ear phones in and "it" said, "hello"... again "hello" then "im not going anywhere"


How did you hear this?

I also find it strange that the phenomenon ceased until this guy decided to spend the night at your house. Perhaps he was saying it to weird you out? He obviously had some kind of problem, as he committed murder - or claimed he did, anyway. I don't know who it is, and I'm not going to pry.

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Whatever it was got into damon's body!! (no joke) Would kinda hum a deep growl then speak.."the one who see's is not welcome, this is my home", "the one who see's needs to leave", "im not going anywhere", "you have bad soul" would speak through damon all this.. speakin to that guy mostly never really me. It said to Tim.. "until we meet again, bye bye".."unitil we meet again" then damon went into this huge shock and fell over on the floor the whole time it was in him he was bleeding slobber out the mouth. His eyes were glass and he was sitting w/arms bent back and leaning over with head turned to the left all the way. Damon doesnt remember anything. It was so scary.


This, I can't really comment on. I wasn't there, so I don't know what happened, and I can't tell if you're giving an accurate account or not.

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Damon asked its name said "george" so im freaked out! That was the name of the ghost they called george that was at his brothers house.


So Damon had already come up with a ghost, and he brought it with him? This could explain his behavior; he simply didn't like the new guy and decided to freak him out. Perhaps he even convinced himself that he was telling the truth, if he has had this "George" as part of his life since childhood.

As you can probably tell, I'm a skeptic, but please don't dismiss my comments out of hand. What are the other possibilities? What else could have been happening here? Besides ghosts or demonic possession, what could explain Damon's behavior?

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Now, I'm not a professional or anything but it sounds to me like it might be a demon. As far as I know, Ghosts can't posess you like that.


Why can't ghosts possess you? As far as I'm aware, that's a fairly well-established part of ghost mythology - they can jump into peoples' bodies.

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If you give one of these entities attention, then yeah, activity can increase indeed, since they know you're paying attention to them then.

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All happened one time each. It stopped for awhile until this friend i met recently starting coming over and it made "it" mad that he was there.

We both decided that tim (the guy) was the issue. He has not been around and nothing happened.


Are you religious, and your friend not? Because if you are and he isn't, that could be what the deal is: evil entities and demonics don't like hearing talk about God, religious music, etc. I don't know if demon possession is real or not, but they say (I'm being general since there isn't exactly a lot of scientific proof of the paranormal) that possession occurs mostly in non-believers. Because why go to the trouble to possess someone if you're going to have to hear them talk about God and all? That'd be annooying!

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We want to move but we dont know if it will help or get worse.


It could move with you, but if activity is increasing when your guy friend shows up, I doubt that it would.

Like I had said elsewhere, you can do a smudging to get rid of it. You can do an online search for smudgings and do a *complete* one, but they involve a lot of steps and you need several things, but one, I would say you don't know 100% what this is anyway, as there are smudgings for demonics, evil entities, and just for regular spirits in general. It sounds like a demonic to me, and another guy on here named Frater has been studying the paranormal way longer than I have, as he'd probably say for sure what's going on, but obviously he hasn't posted yet.

However, there are several steps that you can use for anything in general, so I'd go with those. One of them is burning some sage and walk around the house and let it's aroma waft around. Go EVERYWHERE in the house, into every closet and all. You're supposed to walk around rooms in a clockwise fashion (don't know why) and tell them to leave, they are NOT wanted there, it is not their house, etc. You'll probably feel stupid doing it when you can't see anything but it's important; after all, whatever it is that's in sage that they don't like, it's just going to dissapate and then they'll come back. With sage and you telling them to get lost they'll start taking the hint. Also try to imagine a bright light filling up all rooms as you walk about, since they don't like light (supposedly entities can read minds too, but I have doubts about that one, but who knows).

Go through the entire house, then plant what's left of the sage at your front door, which is your way of telling it or them not to come back.


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If you give one of these entities attention, then yeah, activity can increase indeed, since they know you're paying attention to them then.


Or the "activity" could seem to increase simply because you are actively looking for weird occurrences.

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We want to move but we dont know if it will help or get worse.


It could move with you, but if activity is increasing when your guy friend shows up, I doubt that it would.

Like I had said elsewhere, you can do a smudging to get rid of it. You can do an online search for smudgings and do a *complete* one, but they involve a lot of steps and you need several things, but one, I would say you don't know 100% what this is anyway, as there are smudgings for demonics, evil entities, and just for regular spirits in general. It sounds like a demonic to me, and another guy on here named Frater has been studying the paranormal way longer than I have, as he'd probably say for sure what's going on, but obviously he hasn't posted yet.


How exactly do you establish whether or not a given entity is a ghost or a demon? What is the difference between each? How do you deal with each one?

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However, there are several steps that you can use for anything in general, so I'd go with those. One of them is burning some sage and walk around the house and let it's aroma waft around. Go EVERYWHERE in the house, into every closet and all.


And why does this drive them away?

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after all, whatever it is that's in sage that they don't like, it's just going to dissapate and then they'll come back. With sage and you telling them to get lost they'll start taking the hint.


Why does the sage matter?

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Also try to imagine a bright light filling up all rooms as you walk about, since they don't like light (supposedly entities can read minds too, but I have doubts about that one, but who knows).


Why don't they like light? Why does merely imagining light drive them away?

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Go through the entire house, then plant what's left of the sage at your front door, which is your way of telling it or them not to come back.


Couldn't you just as easily put out a sign saying "No Ghosts Allowed"? Or, as you shoo them away, say "Don't come back, or else"?

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Im gonna try and answer everyone questions, the best I can. All this brings tears to my eyes.
Damon is not a very religious person, unsure of things to believe in. At times he does believe in god but then again is unsure. Since this happened Damon has been wanting to commit to a church and get hope. Same for me. I am not a church person either, but talk and pray to god.

Im not sure why "it" took him over that night..all i know is "it" didnt like that guy (tim) there for whatever reason. Yes i was there to see all those things happening. The pan flew onto the floor this happened xmas morning. Few nights before that. I turned the lamp light off layed dwn for bed it then turned to dim, i got up and turned it off. Layed back in bed and it turned to dim again. I refused to get back up and turn it off and it went to bright. I whispered "turn off the light" it then went crazy off and on a million times a min. We had to take the bulb out. The next night we were laying in bed me and damon. Damon wanted to mess around, i felt someone or something watching me or us so i made him stop trying. A few seconds later my phone w/NO service started ringing saying i had a voicemail. Next day there was no record of calls etc. The next day while damon was at work i would hear something fall in the kitchen like a paper or light booklet. There is nothing like that in my kitchen except a paper calender hanging on the wall. i ignored it. I always thought my dog was under the bed while i was sleeping cause the i would feel something under me. I would wake up feeling this and she would be right there w/me ON the bed sleeping. All these things happened once. Stopped for awhile and we thought it was someone close to us that pasted away and was only there for xmas. His gma or my great gma..

The night this happened w/taking him over. I asked "it" who are you..while in side damon "it" said, "im the one who does this" and leaned over to the lamp and turned the light off and on it would not stop. I asked "it" to stop and it finally did. All of its attention was getting Tim to leave. Said "you are a bad soul, you need to leave..you are not welcome here"
"It" has NEVER tried to speak to us or communicate w/us prior to Tim being there. We no longer hangout w/Tim and there has been no more problems. I am not sure what this thing is.

A few nights later Damon was sitting there and asked (out loud) "is there anything here?" there was no movement or sign. He asked "if you are here and not tryin to hurt us move the blinds" it moved the blinds. He asked it the same thing again...again same thing happened. He then asked it "to move the blinds if it was not here to hurt me or pepper" The dresser drawer opened a (LIL) and trinkled out the ear phones then falling to the floor. He was scared for a moment but then felt a feeling of relief. He put them on and it said "woman with lil bear nice...lil bear scare me..move really fast" "man with no hair bad for woman w/lil bear, hurt ppl for no reason"


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Kelly_elly_elly wrote:
Im gonna try and answer everyone questions, the best I can.


Thank you for your time.

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The pan flew onto the floor this happened xmas morning. Few nights before that. I turned the lamp light off layed dwn for bed it then turned to dim, i got up and turned it off. Layed back in bed and it turned to dim again. I refused to get back up and turn it off and it went to bright. I whispered "turn off the light" it then went crazy off and on a million times a min. We had to take the bulb out. The next night we were laying in bed me and damon. Damon wanted to mess around, i felt someone or something watching me or us so i made him stop trying. A few seconds later my phone w/NO service started ringing saying i had a voicemail. Next day there was no record of calls etc. The next day while damon was at work i would hear something fall in the kitchen like a paper or light booklet. There is nothing like that in my kitchen except a paper calender hanging on the wall. i ignored it. I always thought my dog was under the bed while i was sleeping cause the i would feel something under me. I would wake up feeling this and she would be right there w/me ON the bed sleeping. All these things happened once. Stopped for awhile and we thought it was someone close to us that pasted away and was only there for xmas. His gma or my great gma..


Those are definitely weird things, but I can't really comment on them. The only things that I can say are that the dog deciding to sleep in your bed with you, a pan falling off the stove, and an unidentified noise are not especially strange occurrences. As for the rest, I have no idea what they are, though I do think you might be jumping to conclusions by assuming that it is a ghost.

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The night this happened w/taking him over. I asked "it" who are you..while in side damon "it" said, "im the one who does this" and leaned over to the lamp and turned the light off and on it would not stop. I asked "it" to stop and it finally did. All of its attention was getting Tim to leave. Said "you are a bad soul, you need to leave..you are not welcome here"
"It" has NEVER tried to speak to us or communicate w/us prior to Tim being there. We no longer hangout w/Tim and there has been no more problems. I am not sure what this thing is.

A few nights later Damon was sitting there and asked (out loud) "is there anything here?" there was no movement or sign. He asked "if you are here and not tryin to hurt us move the blinds" it moved the blinds. He asked it the same thing again...again same thing happened. He then asked it "to move the blinds if it was not here to hurt me or pepper" The dresser drawer opened a (LIL) and trinkled out the ear phones then falling to the floor. He was scared for a moment but then felt a feeling of relief. He put them on and it said "woman with lil bear nice...lil bear scare me..move really fast" "man with no hair bad for woman w/lil bear, hurt ppl for no reason"


So the only times this thing does anything is when Damon is in the room?

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I am def not assuming these things. I know what i saw/heard. Im not here to get people to tell me that this is a figure of my amagination. If anything im here to figure out why this is happening or what "it" is that is hanging around. :? I told the story the best I could, obviously there was only one eye witness and he was the issue apparently. I hope to get help if not ill try to move on the best I can. God will be here for me no matter what happens next.


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Kelly_elly_elly wrote:
I am def not assuming these things. I know what i saw/heard. Im not here to get people to tell me that this is a figure of my amagination. If anything im here to figure out why this is happening or what "it" is that is hanging around. :?


My point is that "it" might very well not exist. If it doesn't, then there's no need for you to panic, or to consider moving, or be frightened. Don't you think that you should make certain that it actually is a ghost before you begin an exorcism?

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There's a difference between an exorcism and a smudging. Look up 'smudging' and see for yourself.

I don't see where she said she was doing an exorcism anyway.

And how common is it for frying pans and other objects to start falling when no one is around? Oh yes, I recall all these phone conversations I've had with friends for years and years and years all the time when they would stop and say 'oh, I heard something crash in the kitchen, yet I'm alone'...NOT. NEVER happened, that I can recall...EVER. Yes, I know, it's good to try to debunk as much as possible, just like when I started to have things happen myself. I would get awakened to things falling off of shelves in my room at like 3 a. m. or something. Things have NEVER fallen off the shelves in my room before ever until I had entities come, following me home from a graveyard, and that stopped once I took action against them and they left.

THINK about all that, if you're trying to debunk someone. I know it's just her as a witness but I doubt she would waste time coming onto this forum and typing all this stuff up. I have chronic fatigue and the computer I use for the internet I have to borrow, so that's why I haven't responded to your previous post yet, but you're supposedly here to debunk things and several things you're not even doing research on yourself either.


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